Thursday, February 3, 2011

Yikes: Twilight And Rape Fantasies

"With nearly all of us having some insecurity about our bodies and our desirability, its no wonder lots of us fantasize about being raped-which in our culture, means being desired by men.

I have to credit Twilight with me putting the pieces together."

5 comments:

Emma said...

Rape fantasies?
RAPE FANTASIES?!

There is a big difference between someone showing they are willing to fight for you and SEXUAL ABUSE.
Do you know what, I don't even want to understand how or why people think like this. This has genuinely made me mad.

(On another note- surely it's not rape if they want it to happen?)

ZL said...

Yeah, I don't even understand the semantics of rape fantasies, let alone anything else.

Kim said...

If a woman thinks that rape means a man is showing desire and interest in her, she sure as hell doesn't understand what rape really is. I couldn't even get past the first paragraph of that. That is appalling and disturbing on so many levels.

Stephanie_DAnn said...

Rape fantasy is an oxymoron. I think this is a interesting timing because I just heard about redefining rape. http://tinyurl.com/6x4d4lo

To me the weird part of that post is that she's not really telling us what rape fantasies are or who has them. She's just telling why they exist from a sociological standpoint instead of a psychological one. But that would only makes sense if rape fantasies were a well established thing that we all knew about and wanted an answer for. The author assumes we already have an opinion on rape fantasy and is trying to give an explanation, but I've never heard of rape fantasy outside of Cosmo chart.

Kira said...

i'm actually kind of surprised that you guys are so surprised that rape fantasies are a thing. maybe it's because i come from The People's Gaypublic of Druguphornia (thank you, 30 rock) but i guess i assume that there is someone somewhere who has every kind of fantasy imaginable. also i saw an ep of SVU on it, i think. but yeah, it's no biggie. just a fantasy/kink like any other, bdsm, furries, poop/pee, whatevs. i worked as an operator for a phone sex line for a year and stuff like mother/sister/brother /dad-fucking or wearing diapers were kind of ho-hum after while because they were just so common. it's fine to have taboo fetishes, as long as you're not hurting anyone, right? even agreeing to take part as the aggressor in some consensual rape fantasy role play is whatever. they're called fantasies for a reason! it's just for fun!

what upset me about this blog post is her college freshman level logical fallacies, on which she bases her entire post. she acts like her completely bizarre, fucked, deeply inaccurate assumptions are what everyone believes and so are accurate.

"The measure of force a man is willing to take in pursing a woman is said to be a direct measure of how much he loves and desires her. Following this worldview to its logical endpoint, rape becomes the ultimate expression of desire and attraction."

what? none of that is true. you can't fucking measure desire of the heart or loins by how aggressively that desire is manifested. by that logic wife abusers are the best husbands because they love their wives enough to physically force them to behave. ditto stalkers, best partners! they love their stalkees so much! and that isn't a "worldview" that's a "youview," missy. literally NO ONE thinks that rape is the logical end point to ardent desire. the logical end point is professing your love, perhaps theatrically, maybe planning some showy string quartet BS. rape is the logical end point of having some very serious psychological issues related to control, as well as serious impulse control issues.

"I suspect that the less conventionally attractive a woman is, or the uglier she feels, the more likely she is to have rape fantasies. With nearly all of us having some insecurity about our bodies and our desirability, its no wonder lots of us fantasize about being raped-which in our culture, means being desired by men."

WHAT IN THE FUCKING NAME OF ALL THAT'S HOLY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???? rape isn't considered to be about sex, it's about control. if passionate desire caused rape, every adolescent boy would be a rapist and the most beautiful women in the world would all get raped all day long, while all ugly ladies would live 100% rape-free lives. but, ODDLY, rapists often don't even see the faces of their victims because IT'S NOT ABOUT SEXUAL DESIRE, it's about out-of-control aggression. rape isn't used as a weapon in war torn countries because the soldiers so ardently desire the company of their victims. it's because it's about humiliation and punishment.

women who have rape fantasies don't have them because they are desperate for men to LOVE THEM. they have them because they are turned on by the lack of control, like bondage and dominance to the most extreme level.

this blogress needs to take some college courses on human sexuality STAT. she is woefully misinformed about even the basics. i'm not even into rape fantasies or anything but years of reading Savage Love off and on have at least taught me this much. sheesh.

(also she is an idiot and her citing of twilight as helping her [mis]understand the deal with rape fantasies is all the more galling because shut up you have no idea what you're even talking about.)